We need to allow no acceptance of officers of the law “making mistakes;” the repercussions are too high. Innocent people end up dead or injured physically and emotionally. We allow police to walk around with killing machines on their hips. They are allowed to arrest anyone they don’t like, abuse them and then charge them with resisting arrest.
Would we allow a few airline pilots to get drunk and fly a plane and then say: Oh well, they’re always a few bad apples? Would we allow surgeons to make mistakes that kill the patient and again say: well, there’s going to be some bad ones? No we don’t allow this because these professionals carry people’s lives in their hands. Well, we are giving police the power to hold people’s lives in their hands also. There needs to be Zero Tolerance for police making mistakes.
Unfortunately, most police officers have the mindset that they can do whatever they want because they have all the power and citizens have none. Everyday we see examples of police abusing innocent people and all too often killing them. How is it that they get away with this? Police will admit that they need to police their own, but they don’t. They laugh about the cop with the bad attitude and chalk it up to, well that’s how we operate.
If the public is going to respect police, then they have to be exemplars of proper behavior and understand that they can’t abuse the extreme power to be judge, jury, and chief executioner.

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257mom
257mom

Senior City should have read Senior Citizen in my prior comment.. See, I am old. I should have put on my glasses.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

Sorry for your loss

Professor5-0
Professor5-0

Senior, you really come off as very angry…and for someone who was allegedly a teacher, very close-minded and ill-informed. It is clear that you are suffering from the media’s effect on the perception of law enforcement. When the only news you see is of bad things, eventually you grow to believe that’s all there is. For example, a few years ago Gallup polled a sample of the population and asked them what percentage of the population they thought was LGBTQ. The result was people thought almost 25% of the population was in that demographic. In reality less than 5% are, but people perceive that it’s higher because popular media has focused on it so much. The same has happened with Police brutality.

As to your assertion that police kill more than other professions, well, that is just flat out wrong. A recent study from John’s Hopkins found that medical mistakes, you know, the ones you said we wouldn’t allow from “any other profession”, kill a minimum of 250,000 people annually. Part of the study indicated that number might be as high as 440,000. In fact, medical errors are the third leading cause of death in this country behind cancer and heart disease. Do you want to start jailing every doctor who makes a mistake? If you want to verify the numbers, this was reported on CNBC on February 22, 2018. Buy it was reported once, not over and over again so there is no outrage. But since the magnitude of this problem is so high, let me ask you a few questions. Again, do you want to start jailing doctors who make fatal mistakes? I mean at least that vast majority of their patients aren’t actively resisting their efforts when the mistakes were made so it would seem their mistakes are more egregious. The doctor is operating in the dark either. The doctor gets to spend days or weeks assessing the problem beforehand and then performs surgery in a will-lit, sterile, safe environment where there is no threat to his own personal safety, yet they “kill” at a rate some between 250-440x more often than Police do. Why are doctors not doing a better job of holding themselves accountable? Police have to make split-second, life and death decisions in all sorts of environment yet you expect perfection from them. Why do you not demand the same from doctors?

Your posts show you have no experience with the average cop and no idea what police work is actually like. Today’s cops are the more educated and more professional than they have ever been anytime or anywhere in history, but they are still people. They will make mistakes and, yes, there will be some bad ones, but whether you admit it or not there are bad ones in every profession, e.g. -the the 27 year old teacher who has sex with a sixth grader. They are not representative of the profession though. People with your mindset seem to have no problem acknowledging that all Muslims aren’t terrorists, or that all teachers aren’t sex offenders, but you are completely willing to say all cops are ignorant, brutal thugs. Why is that? As a cop of over 20 years who is also a university professor, how do I fit in to your label of all cops being bullies with no intellect?

Wide-spread acceptance of the beliefs you profess is dangerous. Don’t believe it? Look at Baltimore. Look at Chicago. People fell for the media/political version of high profile stories and demanded the police stand down. They got their wish … and the murder rates sky-rocketed. Now they say it’s the fault of the police for “not doing their job”, which is exactly what they demanded. Oh I know, I know. They didn’t want the police to “quit”, they wanted them to do their job “right”. What they really wanted was the unachievable goal of perfection, which is not possible. Hugely hypocritical, but not possible.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

You make some good points about the reporting of "cops behaving badly", but I'm mainly interested in seeing JUSTICE done. There is rarely any justice for the victim of police brutality, including when the victim is innocent. As a person who strongly believes in justice, it makes me very angry to see police misbehaving SO often. I will not apologize for that anger. The police have POWERS over all of us and we have none. The Blue Brothers just defend these supposed "bad apples" over and over. I don't see justice happening, not do I see any Rights for citizens. As to your comparisons with doctors, doctors don't set out to Kill their patients, but when cops shoot a person in their back over and over or when they shoot a person who is lying on the ground, they KNOW that they're going to kill them. That is their purpose, so your comparison doesn't hold up. Same goes for teachers having sex with their students, it doesn't kill the willing student. I will let pass, the "allegedly a teacher" comment. Again, my point is that as long as the Blues keep defending and allowing bad, arrogant and murderous behavior from cops, citizens like myself will not trust or respect you. Maybe you guys need to get that thought into your heads.

Professor5-0
Professor5-0

I think if we are going to be honest, there is nothing the police could do to change your mind. For whatever reason you are too ready to excuse any bad conduct on the part of the public but condemn the police for reacting to it in a manner that you don’t like, or, perhaps more importantly, don’t understand. Unless you have actually been in a life and death encounter, you really don’t know what it is like or how you’d respond. I do find it very interesting that you can so easily excuse pedophilia because it doesn’t kill child. Interesting commentary from someone who claims to be so devoted to justice. Also interesting that you assume the Police set out to kill. There is equally little accountability for doctors who kill through malpractice, but the victim is just as dead. You can blame the police all you want because it is easy and comfortable, but your self righteous anger doesn’t help the problem as it allows the community to blame the boogeyman without ever acknowledging their own culpability in creating a society that has led to these conflicts.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

First of all, I never excused pedophilia on the part of a teacher. But guess what, they lose their jobs and often go to prison. You can't say the same for police brutality. The problem is that the police get away with most of their bad behavior and they have been for decades. The only difference now is that people have phones with video cameras. But citizens cannot choose which cop may be passing them on the street or be on the road if they happen to have a taillight out or maybe driving over the speed limit. If we have any contact with police, we don't know who is behind that badge. Is it a reasonable person or a bigot with an attitude? If you're thinking that I'm the only cop-hating "nut" out there, try reading the NY Times. There's an article today about police; the comments (written by NY Times readers) are truly anti-cop. They're actually giving me some good ideas.

Miss Kitty
Miss Kitty

Who do you call if someone breaks into your house? If they knock you down and steal your wallet? If they try to carjack you? Black Lives Matter? Even if you're black you don't matter unless you're a good photo op. Besides which if you're the white bleeding heart liberal I suspect you are they hate you too - they just conceal it so they can use you. Don't delude yourself into thinking these extremists want racial harmony. They want chaos and subjegation of their "white oppressors". And just to be clear I'm just talking about the portion of the population that actively supports these clowns - not all blacks, Hispanics, liberal whites, Asians, native Americans, etc so please don't choke on your fat free soy latte. Or do you cop-hating turd!

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

So before I name you as a dangerous BIGOT, I will reply to your question about who I would call if someone breaks into my house or steals my wallet. What the heck do the cops do AFTER these crimes occur? - ABSOLUTLELY NOTHING. They don't prevent the crime and they usually laugh at the victim if he/she asks if the perp will be caught. So what's the use of calling them, except to document the crime for insurance purposes. OH, and by the way, calling me a LIBERAL is clearly not an insult to me, sorry. You sound like either a Nazi, KKK, or a White Supremacist and those clearly are insults.

G_Bacon
G_Bacon

Well I guess SeniorCitizen doesn't allow replies... probably because he's been informed he's a dumb shit... Holy crap... there is no way I could have ever expected to read anything so STUPID as the crap spewing from SeniorCitizen... hell, I'm nearly a Senior Citizen and if I heard anyone being so dumb... I'd take away their oxygen tank and heart meds.... Experts prescribed those thing to that person to live... but the person decides to argue against other types of professionals in areas of expertise he has no clue of ever working in... so therefore... he wants to take way their professional aptitude... then let's take away those keeping him alive, because OBVIOUSLY... he's smarter than anyone... and can live without PROFESSIONALS doing their jobs... Be it cops, doctors, lawn care professionals, ect... if you've never done it.. then shut up about how to do it...

G_Bacon
G_Bacon

I'm sure most of this comes from the latest news of Stephon whatever being shot in his grandparents back yard.... so let's put this in perspective... let's say it was YOU chasing someone for a crime... they ran into a dark lit area... they turn around had have something in their hand (yes maybe it was a cell phone, but it's dark and you can't see for sure)... you and another person shoot... 2 hits (as reported)... they turn to run (you believe they may have a weapon)... they're still on their feet.... you and your team continue to fire until you are sure the threat is diminished (neutralized I believe is the official language)... if it was you in a dark area... someone flashes something in their had you conceive as a weapon.... would you stop shooting until they were down? Regardless of the direction they were facing??? \

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

G_Bacon, I think your reply wins the prize for the stupidest of all the many replies I've received. First of all, I've been angry at Police for at least 10 years, so it has very little to do with the latest Sacramento incident. There is a new instance of "cops behaving badly" almost everyday. My thoughts get reinforced all the time because cops are now being caught live on video cameras. And the vile thoughts that you expressed towards me , further proves to me just how horrible and hateful a person you are. Why would you want to pull the plug off of someone you don't even know? What kind of monster are you? Let me guess - you are one of the cops whom I'm supposed to respect. Now you know why I don't respect you people! I'm certainly not against Professionals, as I am a professional myself. However, I do not see cops as Professionals. That term is reserved for someone who studies many years before practicing their craft. Cops go through a 6 month or so training period, not the same thing.

Miss Kitty
Miss Kitty

Well you sure don't like it when the shoe's on the other foot! How do you think your comments make those people who are police or have relatives on the job feel? Huh? Guess you don't care about some cop getting ambushed and murdered. Guess you can listen to his widow and children weep at the funeral and figure "good, kill ALL the pigs", right? You are a hypocritical pos! If you got robbed or beat up I bet you'd be calling 911 fast enough. AND complaining they took too long to come when you whistled! You have zero empathy and even less common sense.

LawfulPolicing
LawfulPolicing

@SeniorCitizen - I agree with you. Nobody sane is advocating for the society WITHOUT the police. That said we can't confuse a blind loyalty to the Force and swiping under the carpet of the corruption, unnecessary brutality and UNLAWFUL behaviors by the police officers.
We need to clearly condemn the "Bad Apples"

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

Really, I'd like you to answer that question. And if I was a young Black person, I'd really be afraid to call the police, even if I was the victim. I'd be afraid that they'd rough me up or throw me in jail. Please think about that. By the way, you have not denied that you are a White Supremacist.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

Wow! You are really brave. You are the first person to agree with me. This society is not going to respect the Badge until ALL people wearing the badge start acting fairly and lawfully and lose that arrogant attitude. It's up to the Police themselves to rid themselves of the bad actors.

Zookeeper63
Zookeeper63

Not sure if trolling, or just STUPID

Gunnersbumpa
Gunnersbumpa

There are a lot of people with big mouths who have NEVER walked in their shoes. First and foremost they are human, they are not perfect, thanks to the MEDIA all you ever hear about are the bad cops or the "mistakes" made in split nano seconds sometimes in life threatening situations. You NEVER hear about all the Good things the other 99.9% are doing at all hours of the day or night, holidays, weekends, heat of Summer and the cold of Winter. But no, you got caught speeding or your perfect little brat got caught with some drugs or DWI and ALL COPS ARE ABUSING THEIR POWER. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time,

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

Why do you people always assume that I have children who have had problems with the criminal justice system? A Big Fat NO, NO, NO , Never. I just see with my own eyes that cops abuse their power everyday. It's not true that the media doesn't show the Good things that some do. But guess what, THEY ARE DOING THEIR JOB when they do good things. That's what they are supposed to do. Millions of other people do good things too and they don't get on the news. I am a retired teacher and I never made the news when I did my job day in and day out and may I add, with some difficult children. But I did not throw them to the ground and handcuff them if they were disrespectful to me.

kgolfinghawaii
kgolfinghawaii

You're a left wing moron. Lumping all together is just what you do on a daily basis. You illogical left wingers truly are despicable people. I wish you would have to go into a situation where someone would not do what you wanted them to do and no amount of reasoing would work. Then with your life on the line you just talk...idiot.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

Now why would you make this statement, "sick mind of yours"? You realize , I hope, that this says much more about your hatred and anger than mine. You know nothing about me. And yes, I have reproduced; I have 2 adult daughters who do not own guns, by the way. Based on the disgusting comments made towards me on this site, you people have only reinforced my attitude towards police. Assuming that most of you are police or families of police, I am more confident than ever that most of you are "thugs with guns" who believe that your badge gives you power over everyone. Power to abuse, maim and kill.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

Look, you can call me all kinds of stupid names, like an 8 year old. But the facts remain. Actually as a teacher I dealt with children, on a daily basis, who "would not do what I wanted them to do." Part of the big problem is that police think they can tell people to do what they want them to do. - WHY??? Why should we obey "orders" that make no sense just because some cop feels threatened? What about citizens feeling threatened by cops? And most of the time, when cops draw their guns, their lives are NOT on the line. They just think that, so they shoot and ask questions later.

SCWilliamson
SCWilliamson

Honey, I don’t know if you are willfully ignorant or just stupid in general, but education on the facts might go a long way for you. So you are telling us that you personally have seen repeated police brutality? Not ready or watched it on TV, but personally witnessed it? Riiiight!

You do know that less than 1% of law enforcement are involved in cases considered police brutality, right? You also know that 9 times out of 10, the person who has been shot and or “beat” by cops is because they refused to obey lawful commands, right?

So making persons obey the law is abuse of power? Yea, I can see how a liberal would think that way.

Anyway, regardless of what YOU think, in the grand scheme of things your opinion means nothing to those of us who are law abiding citizens! We have the US Constitution on our side! And criminals, those who actually break the law, could care less what law says.

Susan P
Susan P

You have never actually known a police officer have you? Your characterization of police is totally inaccurate. Most police are there to protect and serve, not to be bullies. Also, your remark about doctors killing patients, shows you know nothing. Federal statistics show that medical malpractice kills far more people every year than there are firearms deaths. No, the doctors do not get punished in most of those cases because it is too hard to prove medical malpractice.
As to police making mistakes, well they are human. Can you honestly say you have never made a mistake. In the words of our Savior, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". If you know your Bible, you know that no stone was thrown on that occasion because no human is free from making mistakes.

Susan P
Susan P

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SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

I'll say it again - When police make "mistakes", people DIE! There's no excuse for that kind of mistake. But police don't admit they ever make a mistake; that's part of the problem. We give police power over others and they don't get punished when they make mistakes. All you people keep coming up with the same excuse that cops are human and all humans make mistakes. That may be true, BUT when they make SO many mistakes and so often, something has to change. If you think I'm the only educated, intelligent, middle-class law-abiding citizen who thinks this way, you need to read comments from readers of the NY Times when there is an article about police misconduct . There are a whole lot of similar minded people as myself. If police want respect, they have to earn it. And yes, I have known and befriended police. But how these people behave in social situations is entirely different than how they behave out on the street.

BullDaddy
BullDaddy

@seniorcitizen, get the fuck out of here with your bullshit. You copy and paste this tripe on EVERY article on this site. This one has nothing to do with law enforcement other than the fact that they're looking for her. Take your sorry excuse for a Socialist bitch ass off the feed. I am reporting you to the admins every single time I see this whiny shit. May you be victimized by the same people you have indoctrinated during your time as an alleged teacher. You are a waste of human skin you infested boil of pus.

Jbkerner
Jbkerner

"We allow police to walk around with killing machines on their hips. They are allowed to arrest anyone they don’t like, abuse them and then charge them with resisting arrest."

The first sentence shows that you have an irrational fear of firearms. The second shows how little you know about the justice system. You may hate/distrust police, but I bet they're the first people you turn to when some burglar breaks into your home.

My folks taught me to be self-reliant. My first call would be to the county coroner, to remove the dead body.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

You are so off the rails. I don't copy and paste anything. I take the time to respond to every comment on MY original Conversation. I've barely looked at any other topic. I wonder why you see the need to use disgusting profanities against me. Is that the best you can come up with ? You are only reinforcing my belief that most LEOs are low lifes. You prove my point.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

You're damned right I have a fear of firearms, but it's not irrational. They KILL, period. What other purpose do they have? You must be so proud of yourself that you would call the coroner first. You are able to use your gun to kill another human being; how macho of you! And why would I call police if my house was broken into? What would they do, other than fill out a report for my insurance company? They would do ABSOLUTELY nothing. And speaking of doing nothing, tell me how proud you BLues are for stopping the shooting at Parkland School and at the You Tube Headquarters after you received calls warning you of a possible shooting. Oh wait, you guys did NOTHING and the shootings went ahead as planned.

justaguy
justaguy

"We allow police to walk around with killing machines on their hips. They are allowed to arrest anyone they don’t like, abuse them and then charge them with resisting arrest."
Its 2018. Stop watching judge dred and get back down to planet earth. That is the farthest from the truth.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

Why in the world are you talking about Jesus??? Who brought him up> You are nuts!

Sensei1
Sensei1

Judge Dredd was a terrible movie! NO ONE should be forced to watch it!!!

Sensei1
Sensei1

We allow police to DRIVE killing machines!!! 4,640,000 people killed/injured by automobiles in the US, the MOST deaths/injuries of ANY single cause PERIOD in 2016 alone according to the NTSB! If you want to prevent deaths and injuries make cars slower and softer!!!

Aaron57
Aaron57

Ryukidn's response was a direct response to you, pointing out the insane standard you're trying to force on law enforcement. Bringing Jesus up was simply an example of the quality of person you are expecting all law enforcement to be, at all times.
Your OODA loop is all kinds of out of whack.

AnonWarrior
AnonWarrior

The thing about it is that many of their "mistakes" aren't mistakes at all. Cops are taken from those with Lower IQs and who don't have any real marketable skills ( if they did, they'd probably choose another occupation ). As a result we have people who are really not much different than street thugs supposedly enforcing the law. This is why cops have a higher incident of domestic abuse than other occupations and are often found committing crimes under the guise of "enforcing the law". If you have to call a cop for help, be careful, because they are known for attacking the very people that called them for help

ryukidn
ryukidn

Let me clarify in simpler language for you. Jesus was the ONLY perfect person. Setting zero tolerance qualifying standards for police officers, doctors, lawyers, etc means we won't have any police officers, doctors, lawyers, etc. Now, imagine how many people will die if we have NO police officers.

Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

@ryukidn
OODA is observe, orient, decide, and act. OODA loop is basically your critical thought process. Normally when police or military use the term, they're talking about maintaining a clear thought process under stress.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

Dear Photodaleen - Why do you and people like you keep insisting on proving what idiots you are? Stop embarrassing yourself.

Tammyjo Soles
Tammyjo Soles

There are all kinds of IDIOTS like this with their stupid remarks. Hope he remembers this post when he needs assistance from our Men & Women In Blue. God Bless Yall💙🙏🙏

Tammyjo Soles
Tammyjo Soles

Thank you🤛🤛