We need to allow no acceptance of officers of the law “making mistakes;” the repercussions are too high. Innocent people end up dead or injured physically and emotionally. We allow police to walk around with killing machines on their hips. They are allowed to arrest anyone they don’t like, abuse them and then charge them with resisting arrest.
Would we allow a few airline pilots to get drunk and fly a plane and then say: Oh well, they’re always a few bad apples? Would we allow surgeons to make mistakes that kill the patient and again say: well, there’s going to be some bad ones? No we don’t allow this because these professionals carry people’s lives in their hands. Well, we are giving police the power to hold people’s lives in their hands also. There needs to be Zero Tolerance for police making mistakes.
Unfortunately, most police officers have the mindset that they can do whatever they want because they have all the power and citizens have none. Everyday we see examples of police abusing innocent people and all too often killing them. How is it that they get away with this? Police will admit that they need to police their own, but they don’t. They laugh about the cop with the bad attitude and chalk it up to, well that’s how we operate.
If the public is going to respect police, then they have to be exemplars of proper behavior and understand that they can’t abuse the extreme power to be judge, jury, and chief executioner.

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SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

I find it interesting that you call yourself ProGODProUSA. I assume that's so you represent yourself as the perfect Christian and patriot. How wonderful for you. Aren't you just the Saint? I'm sure you never do anything wrong.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

Well, wee

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

Well, well, doesn't that just make you beyond reproach? What does being a Christian have to do with police brutality?

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

I just wonder - Why does anyone defend police brutality?

ProGODProUSA
ProGODProUSA

There are quite a few of us here who are Christians and support the police. There is a big difference between brutality and necessary force. I'm sorry for you that you get your news from the mainstream media. I'll be praying for you.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

Please don't pray for me. If you were truly a Christian, you'd be for justice. What does "necessary force" mean to you. Who gets to determine necessary force? Is it throwing a person whom you don't like on the ground, breaking their bones, etc. Because that's how it looks to me - a middle class, law-abiding White elderly woman.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

I'm sure you're looking for a reason to hate me. I'll give you one - I'm Jewish.

ProGODProUSA
ProGODProUSA

Okay ... Why should I hate you - because you're a Jew? Do you sit around waiting to find offense? I'm sorry for you - such a bitter way to live.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

I just don't approve or accept police brutality. You still haven't explained how your being a Christian has anything to do with police brutality. Are you a cop or an ex-cop? Why are you defending brutality? That doesn't sound very Christian to me. Did Jesus preach that?

ProGODProUSA
ProGODProUSA

I do not defend brutality - only evil people are brutal - like the Nazis were. If we had not used "necessary force", then we'd all be under Germany's thumb. You have made up your mind and will not listen to reason, so I will end this conversation here.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

Why are you equating fighting WWII with the "necessary force" of policing citizens on America's streets? I'll stop now. You're just too simple-minded to try and have an intelligent conversation with.

CraigTee-RetiredSD
CraigTee-RetiredSD

"We need to allow no acceptance of officers of the law “making mistakes;” the repercussions are too high.
Then, Senior Citizen, you better find several thousand Jesus Christs to act as cops because, to my understanding, He's the only man who was perfect.
All other humans WILL make mistakes. Either get a a bunch or Jesus's, don't have cops, or live with the fact that cops are human. Your choice.

SheepDawg
SheepDawg

"I just don't approve or accept police brutality." Ma'am, here is the interesting thing: neither do the majority of us, all of us evil souls that will answer your call for help without question. You are new here and you obviously have your beliefs, which, unfortunately for you are not based on reality. You clearly don't understand the Law, you have no grasp of criminal behavior and certainly have no idea about what law enforcement entails. My guess is that you are newly minted SJW from the 'burbs who is jumping on the bandwagon. I'm also guessing that your only interaction with Police, if you have had any at all, was at a local protest march where you joined in with no real idea what was being protested. Maybe you thought that it was your "right" to block a street and you got taught otherwise? Instead of continuing to look like a whiny, sniveling air-head, how about learning the difference between your "brutality" and the legal use of force by a LEO?

SheepDawg
SheepDawg

@JBo you are correct. The flip side of it is sort of entertaining to see how absolutely clueless people can be. Be safe.

JBo
JBo

Folks, there's no upside to arguing with a troll whose whole life revolves around hatred and ignorance.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

That view is a total cop-out . I don't expect human beings to not make mistakes, but the Blues make way too many mistakes and the affects of their "mistakes" are deadly. BUT the real problem is that cops don't think these are mistakes. They commit murder and brutality and you guys just laugh about it and defend them. And then they get off scott free. So don't talk about the human frailty of everyone making mistakes. Cops don't even try to behave themselves.

JBo
JBo

I deleted my post before you commented on it and rewrote it...take care out there!

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

I may have hate towards cops, But Ignorance - I think not!

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

"Be safe" - How about caring about citizens being safe? You guys only care about yourselves.

SheepDawg
SheepDawg

Sam 1, 10-8

JBo
JBo

SeniorCitizen...life is too short to spend any part of it hating and I feel sorry that you are in that position. I wish you the best in what life has to offer, but I won't continue a dialog with anyone so bitter. No upside for either of us.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

First of all, I have never blocked a street illegally or refused to move. Yes, I have been to many Protest Marches over the years, beginning with Anti Vietnam War. I experienced some lovely cops back then too. But you are being extremely ignorant when you suggest that I didn't know what I was protesting for. Believe me, I knew then and I know now exactly what I am protesting about. That sounds like Rush Talk. The only thing you Nuts can think of is to say that we don't know what we're protesting for. It's the only excuse you can come up with for the Millions protesting tRump. But I have interacted with cops at other times, like when my seriously mentally ill teenage daughter ran away. She was completely harmless, but they treated her like a criminal in FRONT OF ME. Then when she ran out of our car in a city, we waited for 2HOURS in the Hartford, CT Police Dept for help in finding her. They just ignored us while we sat there waiting for help from them They did not help one tiny bit. I could go with examples, but I won't right now. So you see, us SWJs (I don't even know what that is) from the Burbs can really dislike you too. Why don't you explain what "legal use of force" on an innocent citizen is? Or are all citizens criminals to you guys?

SueCoop
SueCoop

So now we see from where the hatred for our officers come. Thank to all of the officers out there who do their jobs despite the hatred and assassinations. Just like in Dallas, you guys run to protect.... even those who protest against you and hate you. There are no words in the English language to express my appreciation for you!

cherry55
cherry55

From one senior citizen to another. Your arm chair quarterbacking is tainted by the hate and anger you harbor. Protest you heart out. I hope you find peace of heart and shed that hate before you pass. PS, cops deserve to go home to their families as well. And, for the record, Police officers RARELY respond quickly for run away calls. If they did, they wouldn't have time to respond to the rampant rapes, assaults, robberies, etc. etc etc. you know, the violent crimes.

LoggedOff
LoggedOff

SeniorCitizen....Based on your comments, it sounds like you have had a lifetime of bitterness that you have dealt with, which is incredibly sad and I feel sorry for you. I'm not going to waste time reiterating what others have already said, but you really need to get perspective on what you are talking about. You seem to forget that there are 2 sides to every story and understand that the first story heard is rarely the accurate one, no matter who says it or how many "witnesses" there are. Before you continue arguing about things you don't understand, I highly suggest you contact your local law enforcement and ask them if they offer a ride along program. If they do, please take advantage of it. Knock the chip off your shoulder and go into it with a truly open and inquisitive attitude. I think if you really want to understand and discover the truth behind those badges, that you continue to demonize, your tune will change.

Heezels
Heezels

This comment is nonsense. You couldn’t get rid of all the bad apples if you tried harder than they do now. You’re operating off the assumption that police who break the law, aren’t punished. That’s wrong, many are. You’re also assuming that police are always making mistakes. They aren’t. In fact the ratio of mistakes made by law enforcement are at extreme lows.

You’re thinking about this issue like a child.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

I doubt very much my opinion would change just by riding along. I see and read too much to change my opinion. Any you all may be interested to know that many years ago, my husband actually trained the local police in self defense techniques. He befriended a few of them and we even socialized with a few. Yet I still maintain that there's enough arrogant, entitled-acting cops to give them all a very bad name. My premise remains that there's no room for mistakes when you carry a killing machine on your hip and are given the power to arrest and manhandle anyone just because you don't like the look on their face. There's too many cops out there taking advantage of their power and that causes even me (older, White, middle-class, retired teacher, volunteer, active in my religious institution) to carry tremendous anger towards police. You guys have to understand that it's not only "thugs" who have anger.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

The cops who abused my mentally daughter (who had made a suicide threat) in front of me were in a suburban neighborhood and they had very little violent crime to deal with. They just found her in her car, dragged her out and threw her on the ground. No reason for that kind of police brutality; she was completely harmless.

Recon485
Recon485

eyeroll

CanadianBlue
CanadianBlue

Senior Citizen have you had children or grandchildren who have been through the criminal justice system many times. Each time saying "I didn't do anything" and you believed them?

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

A big, NO, to your question. Absolutely and positively, no. My children have had zero involvement with the criminal justice system and I have no grandchildren or nieces or nephews, etc. There's just too many cops out there taking advantage of their power and that causes even me (older, White, middle-class, retired teacher, volunteer, active in my religious institution) to carry tremendous anger towards police. You guys have to understand that it's not just "thugs" who have anger.

BullDaddy
BullDaddy

@seniorcitizen...You were a teacher??? I suppose that the axiom of those who can't do teach is factually correct. I can only shudder at how much of your twisted, hateful and bile spewing dogma you forcefed impressionable minds over the decades that you sat on your sanctimonious posterior and judged those who provide you the safety in which to do so. You pigeonhole ALL police officers based on your narrow minded, bigoted and uninformed hatred of LEO's. Do you only come on these sites to troll? I would recommend to you that you do a drop of research. There is no such thing as "arresting anyone they please because they don't like their face". My God. Are you so ignorant that you are incapable of recognizing your own arrogance? The very characteristic for which you throw a blanket accusal at an entire profession? Get over yourself grandma. In short, from a twenty year Law Enforcement veteran to an uninformed, spiteful hag, PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND LEARN BEFORE YOU SPEAK!

LetGodSortItOut
LetGodSortItOut

Cops need to do NOTHING at work. Study. Read poetry. Write haiku. Bird watch. Leaf peep. Whatever. But do NOT be proactive! Look.at these ass hats like SENIOR CITIZEN ! They will destroy you if you offend anyone. Or god forbid you dont walk on water.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

You are showing your total ignorance. First of all, any public school would fire a teacher who spewed "twisted, hateful and bile spewing dogma". For your information, I taught in Elementary school, where politics never comes up. I taught both Special Education and English as a Second Language to young children and the closest I ever came to talking about police was reading those cute little books about different kinds of jobs, which always included a few pages about police officers and firefighters. You're the one who is carrying hate and bigotry. I can just imagine what kind of student YOU were. You were probably the difficult, disrespectful kid who never wanted to do any work. I've seen plenty of your kind in my years. That's why you resent teachers; they tried to make you work and you didn't want to. You went into police work because it doesn't require an intellect, but does require a bully with an arrogant attitude. You loved the idea of hiding behind the "power of the badge" so you could bully people. If you read my original statement, it says that Police need to get rid of the bad apples because they are infecting the whole profession. By protecting the bad ones (and you are probably one of them, based on your attacks to me), police are allowing the infection to grow. This creates a terrible attitude among the law-abiding public, not just the thugs.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

I don't think you have to worry about this "ass hat" destroying you. I have NO power, unlike you who has all the power to hurt and abuse me. And really, couldn't you come up with something a little more grown-up sounding than "ass hat." No, we don't expect you to "walk on water", but how about just not killing and maiming people? By defending bad behavior among police, you are continuing the abuse of power that has been going on way too long. The difference now is that we have video cameras on our phones and your actions are being recorded, unlike in the past where you guys got away with murder, literally.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

Dear RunCop, Do you really think that spewing vile insults to a little old lady is earning you any points? It only reinforces my idea that all you Blues are just "thugs with guns." It may get you a few chuckles among your other Blue Thugs, but again, that just reinforces my point! And yes, I am very scared of you all. You carry around a murder weapon and you get to use it whenever you want. We see this happening everyday.

257mom
257mom

Since the little old lady card was played, I am offering my comment as another little old lady, albeit with a much different view than Senior City. Your disdain and hatred for law enforcement is palpable. Are there a few that should never had a badge and misused authority? Yes, but a very small few. Just like a few teachers who misuse their authority and have sex with their student, there are always a few that do bad things but they do not represent the vast majority. As a mom of a murdered officer, I would like to point out that incidents where police are shot by criminals are never accidents or mistakes, they are always intentional. If you are that scared of every police officer, please call your closest and dearest thug to protect you when you are robbed, raped, burglarized or someone is attempting to take your life. Let's see how that would work out for you.

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257mom
257mom

Senior City should have read Senior Citizen in my prior comment.. See, I am old. I should have put on my glasses.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

Sorry for your loss

Professor5-0
Professor5-0

Senior, you really come off as very angry…and for someone who was allegedly a teacher, very close-minded and ill-informed. It is clear that you are suffering from the media’s effect on the perception of law enforcement. When the only news you see is of bad things, eventually you grow to believe that’s all there is. For example, a few years ago Gallup polled a sample of the population and asked them what percentage of the population they thought was LGBTQ. The result was people thought almost 25% of the population was in that demographic. In reality less than 5% are, but people perceive that it’s higher because popular media has focused on it so much. The same has happened with Police brutality.

As to your assertion that police kill more than other professions, well, that is just flat out wrong. A recent study from John’s Hopkins found that medical mistakes, you know, the ones you said we wouldn’t allow from “any other profession”, kill a minimum of 250,000 people annually. Part of the study indicated that number might be as high as 440,000. In fact, medical errors are the third leading cause of death in this country behind cancer and heart disease. Do you want to start jailing every doctor who makes a mistake? If you want to verify the numbers, this was reported on CNBC on February 22, 2018. Buy it was reported once, not over and over again so there is no outrage. But since the magnitude of this problem is so high, let me ask you a few questions. Again, do you want to start jailing doctors who make fatal mistakes? I mean at least that vast majority of their patients aren’t actively resisting their efforts when the mistakes were made so it would seem their mistakes are more egregious. The doctor is operating in the dark either. The doctor gets to spend days or weeks assessing the problem beforehand and then performs surgery in a will-lit, sterile, safe environment where there is no threat to his own personal safety, yet they “kill” at a rate some between 250-440x more often than Police do. Why are doctors not doing a better job of holding themselves accountable? Police have to make split-second, life and death decisions in all sorts of environment yet you expect perfection from them. Why do you not demand the same from doctors?

Your posts show you have no experience with the average cop and no idea what police work is actually like. Today’s cops are the more educated and more professional than they have ever been anytime or anywhere in history, but they are still people. They will make mistakes and, yes, there will be some bad ones, but whether you admit it or not there are bad ones in every profession, e.g. -the the 27 year old teacher who has sex with a sixth grader. They are not representative of the profession though. People with your mindset seem to have no problem acknowledging that all Muslims aren’t terrorists, or that all teachers aren’t sex offenders, but you are completely willing to say all cops are ignorant, brutal thugs. Why is that? As a cop of over 20 years who is also a university professor, how do I fit in to your label of all cops being bullies with no intellect?

Wide-spread acceptance of the beliefs you profess is dangerous. Don’t believe it? Look at Baltimore. Look at Chicago. People fell for the media/political version of high profile stories and demanded the police stand down. They got their wish … and the murder rates sky-rocketed. Now they say it’s the fault of the police for “not doing their job”, which is exactly what they demanded. Oh I know, I know. They didn’t want the police to “quit”, they wanted them to do their job “right”. What they really wanted was the unachievable goal of perfection, which is not possible. Hugely hypocritical, but not possible.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

You make some good points about the reporting of "cops behaving badly", but I'm mainly interested in seeing JUSTICE done. There is rarely any justice for the victim of police brutality, including when the victim is innocent. As a person who strongly believes in justice, it makes me very angry to see police misbehaving SO often. I will not apologize for that anger. The police have POWERS over all of us and we have none. The Blue Brothers just defend these supposed "bad apples" over and over. I don't see justice happening, not do I see any Rights for citizens. As to your comparisons with doctors, doctors don't set out to Kill their patients, but when cops shoot a person in their back over and over or when they shoot a person who is lying on the ground, they KNOW that they're going to kill them. That is their purpose, so your comparison doesn't hold up. Same goes for teachers having sex with their students, it doesn't kill the willing student. I will let pass, the "allegedly a teacher" comment. Again, my point is that as long as the Blues keep defending and allowing bad, arrogant and murderous behavior from cops, citizens like myself will not trust or respect you. Maybe you guys need to get that thought into your heads.

Professor5-0
Professor5-0

I think if we are going to be honest, there is nothing the police could do to change your mind. For whatever reason you are too ready to excuse any bad conduct on the part of the public but condemn the police for reacting to it in a manner that you don’t like, or, perhaps more importantly, don’t understand. Unless you have actually been in a life and death encounter, you really don’t know what it is like or how you’d respond. I do find it very interesting that you can so easily excuse pedophilia because it doesn’t kill child. Interesting commentary from someone who claims to be so devoted to justice. Also interesting that you assume the Police set out to kill. There is equally little accountability for doctors who kill through malpractice, but the victim is just as dead. You can blame the police all you want because it is easy and comfortable, but your self righteous anger doesn’t help the problem as it allows the community to blame the boogeyman without ever acknowledging their own culpability in creating a society that has led to these conflicts.

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

First of all, I never excused pedophilia on the part of a teacher. But guess what, they lose their jobs and often go to prison. You can't say the same for police brutality. The problem is that the police get away with most of their bad behavior and they have been for decades. The only difference now is that people have phones with video cameras. But citizens cannot choose which cop may be passing them on the street or be on the road if they happen to have a taillight out or maybe driving over the speed limit. If we have any contact with police, we don't know who is behind that badge. Is it a reasonable person or a bigot with an attitude? If you're thinking that I'm the only cop-hating "nut" out there, try reading the NY Times. There's an article today about police; the comments (written by NY Times readers) are truly anti-cop. They're actually giving me some good ideas.

Miss Kitty
Miss Kitty

Who do you call if someone breaks into your house? If they knock you down and steal your wallet? If they try to carjack you? Black Lives Matter? Even if you're black you don't matter unless you're a good photo op. Besides which if you're the white bleeding heart liberal I suspect you are they hate you too - they just conceal it so they can use you. Don't delude yourself into thinking these extremists want racial harmony. They want chaos and subjegation of their "white oppressors". And just to be clear I'm just talking about the portion of the population that actively supports these clowns - not all blacks, Hispanics, liberal whites, Asians, native Americans, etc so please don't choke on your fat free soy latte. Or do you cop-hating turd!

SeniorCitizen
SeniorCitizen

So before I name you as a dangerous BIGOT, I will reply to your question about who I would call if someone breaks into my house or steals my wallet. What the heck do the cops do AFTER these crimes occur? - ABSOLUTLELY NOTHING. They don't prevent the crime and they usually laugh at the victim if he/she asks if the perp will be caught. So what's the use of calling them, except to document the crime for insurance purposes. OH, and by the way, calling me a LIBERAL is clearly not an insult to me, sorry. You sound like either a Nazi, KKK, or a White Supremacist and those clearly are insults.