Oversight Panel Says Cops Broke Policy By Shooting Man Actively Firing At Them

SandyMalone

A civilian oversight panel determined that 12 officers violated LAPD policy when the suspect was shot.

Los Angeles, CA – A civilian oversight panel has determined that 12 officers violated the department’s use of force policy when LAPD fatally shot a man from a helicopter while the suspect was shooting at them.

The Los Angeles Times reported that the ruling puts the Los Angeles Police Commission at odds with Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck, who had previously said all aspects of the May 8, 2017, shooting in Sunland were within policy.

The incident in question was the first time the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) used a helicopter to get officers close enough to shoot at a suspect during a barricade situation.

A woman woke up at about 9 am to find a man in the kitchen of her home in the 11300-block of Alethea Drive in Sunland, the Los Angeles Times reported.

The woman was able to escape through a bedroom window, and when she got out, she called police. She told officers there was a handgun, a rifle, a shotgun, and ammunition inside the home.

SWAT officers determined that 29-year-old Anthony Soderberg posed a more of a threat because he’d barricaded himself inside a home on a hill at the end of a cul-de-sac, and the elevated position gave him an advantage.

So the lieutenant contacted a captain and asked permission to dispatch a helicopter to assist them, the Los Angeles Times reported.

In the meantime, a crisis negotiation team arrived to negotiate with Soderberg, and they sent in a robot to facilitate communication with him.

Police heard two gunshots from within the residence, and Soderberg yelled obscenities and threatened, "I'll put a bullet in your head," according to the Los Angeles Times.

A negotiator asked Soderberg to put down the gun via the robot, and again, multiple gunshots could be heard. The gunman responded with profanity and said, "I'll kill all those SWAT officers that are out there."

According to the report released on Monday, an LAPD commander decided that using a helicopter with armed officers was the "safest means" to contain Soderberg if he began shooting.

So officers deployed teargas into the home after an hours-long standoff, and Soderberg went out into the yard with a gun in his hand, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Soderberg engaged the officers in the helicopter in a gunfight. Multiple officers fired at Soderberg during the gunfight, and he was fatally shot.

The recently released report said that at least 40 rounds were fired during the standoff, and multiple rounds were fired from a distance of 500 feet or more.

In a report to the five-member police commission, Chief Beck said that Soderberg's actions "presented an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury," and that the use of lethal force would be "objectively" reasonable, the Los Angeles Times reported.

But in a closed-door vote on Monday, the police commission voted three-to-one to find the officers had acted out of policy.

Police Commission President Steve Soboroff refused to comment on his panel’s decision and it remained unclear as to why the officers were found to have violated policy, the Los Angeles Times reported.

The police union told the Los Angeles Times it was "extremely disappointed with the commission's decision" and that the officers deserved to be thanked.

"This armed suspect fired his weapon at LAPD officers, he fired at an LAPD helicopter with officers on board, putting all of their lives, and anyone on the ground at risk if his shots struck the pilot or damaged the aircraft," the union said in a statement. "Our officers operated with full authorization from command staff to try and contain this incident and only used appropriate force to protect their own lives and the lives of civilians on the ground."

Comments (56)
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Foundoutwest11
Foundoutwest11

Only in LA city of hope and big "dreams"

Officer Cynical
Officer Cynical

Civilian oversight of police actions. So, inmates really do run the jail in LA.

Shastabeau
Shastabeau

This is getting to be complete bullsh#t! Stop trying to coddle these arses! Don't want to get shot? Don't put yourself in a position where you have bad interactions with police! Plain and simple to understand! The panel needs to get their priorities straight!

LEO0301
LEO0301

Maybe this is the problem with civilians dictating what is the appropriate response for a police issue. So now the question is, what does the Chief do with their recommendation?

Righton17
Righton17

Major lawsuit coming now.

prmd1967
prmd1967

This is a big problem with civilian oversight committees. They have no field experience or knowledge of what officers have to deal with on the streets. KUDOS to the officers!!!

DRTice
DRTice

Make the committee go with you on calls then use them for a shield and ask them when it is OK to shoot back.

Love the Blue
Love the Blue

Every member of that commission should have to spend one week riding at night in a patrol car on a variety of calls, including domestic violence, attempted murder, etc. Before beginning, they should have to sign a release/waiver drafted by a good lawyer, that in case of accident or encounter of any kind, up to and including death, the officer and police department will be held not responsible in any way!

Love the Blue
Love the Blue

With all the coverage of everything the police officers do today, they do NOT need a civilin oversight committee!

PeggySue78
PeggySue78

So, let me understand this. A thug shoots at an officer, and he/she can't fire back? Welcome to post Obama America my friends!

Betts122
Betts122

These so-called " oversight committees" started after the Ferguson BS with Michael Brown shooting. None of these people know anything about how a police department is run or what the required duties of police officers entail. This "oversight committee" should involve a certain number of hours in training including ride alongs with
police officers while on duty, just to see and hear some of the BS the officers have to put up with.

GraceLikeRain
GraceLikeRain

I'm sorry but what the f* do civilians know about law enforcement or the situations LEO's face if they have not been in those situations themselves??? And WHY on earth would they be allowed to have a "closed door vote" on actions of LEO's that are clearly justified!? I'm only a civilian - never been in law enforcement. But I will say that if I were a cop riding in a bird and some perp with a gun was having a hay day shooting at the bird I'm in, you're damn right I'm going to fire my glock! My life, the life of my colleagues as well as innocent civilians depend upon the ability to make difficult, sometimes split second decisions.

Trekincat
Trekincat

If any of those panel members had been in that helicopter you can bet your
rear they'd have been shooting back also.

SheepDog1
SheepDog1

Civilian oversight....what a joke. They wouldn't know what the hell to do if this shit happened to any of them, but call 9-1-1. Really Los Angeles....this is the best idea you could come up with?

Sipowicz
Sipowicz

fuck these morons! get rid of this Nazi panel now, that is why they dont belong anywhere near law enforcement

NoBackupNearby
NoBackupNearby

As someone else put it, the only way I'd be an LEO in California is as a federal officer. At least that way you've got SOME protection against asinine civilian oversight boards like this one (they're not subject to any input by them). My utmost respect for the men and women who have the courage to wear a badge and uniform and do their job in an environment like this one, because it seems the people who "pay your salary" are just as dangerous as the criminals you have to deal with on the street.

DocRyder
DocRyder

Would be nice if the policy they supposedly violated was included. Being LA, there may well be some bizarre policy they got crossed up with. Then again, if no such policy exists and the commission just pulled it out of their collective butts there might be grounds to dismiss the lot.

DocRyder
DocRyder

No, "they" wouldn't be shooting back. They'd be fetaled up in the corner crying...

Denisesrotties
Denisesrotties

I am so glad that Chief Beck is backing his officers. The so called Oversight Committee needs to spend a week in the life of a police officer and see if they still believe that the officers overstepped their bounds by shooting at an armed suspect who is shooting at them! If these idiots continue to have these idiotic beliefs then we aren't going to have a Blue Line protecting its citizens for long. No one is foolish enough to join this line if there is no legal protection for them when doing their job to "Protect and to Serve" its citizens!

ItchyZ
ItchyZ

That is such a load of crap. If I were one of the police officers there, I would certainly leave and work somewhere where they have reasonable policies that will protect police officers while doing their job. The Oversite Committee in LA must be full of PC activists We'll see how faithful they are when all the lawsuits start hitting because of citizens who were not protected like they should have been. SMH!!

MParson
MParson

Maybe the Oversight Committee should respond to the the next
armed, barricaded subject and show everyone how it's done.

Jetranger206
Jetranger206

this is the danger of having CIVILIANS deciding on police officers actions....like all libs they are stupid and have an agenda.....cause as much hate and discontent as possible in the hopes of turning this country communist
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Jamest1148
Jamest1148

So is the civilian oversight panel saying it's ok to take potshots at aircraft, if so LAX just went into Red Alert?

MadMaxxx
MadMaxxx

This same commission wanted Officers to run from armed and violent suspects a few years back.

Duder1897
Duder1897

Californiaaaaaaaa

Jlars
Jlars

How can they vote that they violated policy and then refuse to say what policy they violated.

Burgers Allday
Burgers Allday

"How can they vote that they violated policy and then refuse to say what policy they violated." I know, it seems unfair, like arresting a person for resisting arrest.

gdmn2find8
gdmn2find8

Not a big fan of the "Blue Flu". But in the case of this commission hell California in general and its lack of support for all law enforcement. maybe a one day walk out is needed. Let the politicians "gun up, badge up" whatever do that job the cops do and see how they react.

attybv
attybv

Off the charts ridiculous. A guy is out there firing shots saying hes going to kill the officers and they should just stand back I guress. Really! This if as bad as it gets. I've always said said civilians should not be judging the actions of officers in this manner. If I've ever heard proof positive that my belief is correct here it it.

artw44
artw44

Should be simple, you shoot at somebody: expect to die!

Old Hawg
Old Hawg

That someone on a Civilian Oversight Panel would not have the training, experience, and instincts of a seasoned police officer is completely understandable. That a majority of this board is obviously lacking in just plain common sense is not.

BDull
BDull

So would these be the same people who called police in Florida cowards for not running in the school and shooting the poor misunderstood child with mental health issues? Damned if you do, damned if you don't gland I retired.

Rascal1966
Rascal1966

Commiefornia!! Just drop off into the ocean already!!!

Nativeamerican
Nativeamerican

Chief needs to
shoot oversight board

Raging
Raging

That's the gayest thing I've read all day

Darmyman
Darmyman

Police Commission has lost their collective minds. Absolutely assinie decision. Police Commission President Steve Soboroff needs to clarify this decision or resign. Period.

gunner55
gunner55

So the policy is to let a felon shoot first and then just not do anything?

mimBO72
mimBO72

Let the panel stand in the line of fire

dudewithtude
dudewithtude

There was a similar story line in the show Blue Bloods, where the head of the committee wanted to burn the cops in question. The commish took her to a "Hogan's Alley" range, and she shot a cardboard civilian. The point being that cops have to make split second reactions that civilians just don't understand. But as it applies to this case, it is only to point out that civilian oversight committees are clueless. Cops live a life of high stress, day in, day out. You shoot at them, you are either suicidal or too stupid to live. Same outcome.

TarnishedCopper
TarnishedCopper

It's Liberalville (Kalifornica) The mayor, Chief or whomever appoints that boards should demand the resignation of those vogue members.

fell
fell

this is the way of civilian review boards in "moonbeam" world
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Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

@fell
What does moon beam mean?

copperhead155
copperhead155

the commission is not saying they cannot return fire only that firing from a moving vehicle is out of policy. and has been for a long time.

OMALA
OMALA

CALIFORNIA IS OUT OF CONTROL. GET RID OF THE COMMISSION !!!!

OMALA
OMALA

OK. so yes that is the policy that is written. No exceptions, even if it saves lives? Then every one of these commissioners when stopped for a traffic violation should get a ticket, NEVER a warning- its the law right? IDIOTS, no common sense!

ronald1216
ronald1216

if they shot first then the suspect of all color has the right for lethal force to stay alive

LEO0301
LEO0301

@ronald1216 Hey Ronnie, did you actually read the article before commenting? And to think you're probably a member of the voting public.

StandforTheBlue
StandforTheBlue

Copperhead155.....so they should let him shoot them out of the sky and cause their deaths and anyone that was in the way of the falling helicopter? Were they just supposed to "fly away"? A helicopter does stay relatively stationary at will. I'm assuming they were not flying past, shot and just happened to get lucky? This is a ridiculous comment. And there should be a disbanding of this committee if they are that clueless. If I lived in that area, I would tell the Police to "fire away" at the suspect.


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