Outrage Over NYPD Shooting 'Unarmed Black Man' In Shooting Stance

NYPD fatally shot a man who was called in for pointing a gun at people.

Brooklyn, NY - NYPD fatally shot a man after three people called him in for pointing a gun at people on the street.

Outrage is beginning to boil over the shooting as media outlets like Huffington Post post grossly inaccurate headlines like "New York Police Fatally Shoot Unarmed Black Man On Brooklyn Street."

The incident started when police received three calls about a man who was pointing a gun at people at Utica Avenue and Montgomery Street about 4:45 p.m., according to WABC.

Officers arrived on scene and located the suspect. NYPD Chief of Department Terence Monahan said, “The suspect then took a two-handed shooting stance and pointed an object at the approaching officers,” according to New York Daily News.

Four officers fired a total of 10 shots at the suspect. The officers provided first aid and the suspect was transported to the hospital where he died.

The object that the suspect pointed at the officers was identified as a pipe, according to WABC.

"This was not an [emotionally disturbed person] call... this was a call of a man pointing what 911 callers felt was a gun at people on the street," Chief Monahan said, according to WABC. "When we encounter him he turns with what appears to be a gun at the officers. We have to stay straight on the facts with this incident today."

None of the officers on scene were equipped with body cameras, but the chief showed an image from a surveillance camera which showed the suspect in a shooting stance.

Despite three callers reporting a gun being pointed at people, and the suspect pointed what appeared to be a gun at police, people have been expressing outrage over the shooting.

"It's almost like they did a hit," witness Jack Hinds told WABC. "They didn't say 'freeze,' they didn't say 'put your hands up,' they didn't say 'stop for a minute.' They just started shooting."

Local community members told New York Daily news that the suspect was well-known and mentally disturbed.

California lawmakers are proposing a state law to make justified shootings like this one illegal.

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Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

Tariq Nasheed made Blue Lives Matter? Nice.

Hey everyone, if you really want to make me mad, go to Tariq Nasheed's Twitter and complain that you don't like what he's saying.

That would make me SO MAD.

bronx163
bronx163

We werent there we dont inow what he had in his hand and had numerous civs saying he was armed. We have 6 weeks to the sun to monday quarterback a cop has seconds to access and figure out does this fit nypd rules of engagement and the law.
Let the investigation figure it out. There are cams everywhere and wits. Kets see where it goes.

Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

This looks like a case of white hipsters unfamiliar with the neighborhood they are gentrifying, calling the cops on a man that the rest of the neighborhood knows has mental issues.

Poor guy. Someone's about to be paid though. Maybe don't jump out the car guns blazing next time. Try assessing the situation.

Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

@bronx163
All true. Well said.

Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

@RunCop
Tariq Nasheed, one of my heroes? Nah, but he's insightful and I'd like to work with him one day. We don't live too far from each other either.

bronx163
bronx163

Yea it is a gentrified millenial pukes area now.
They love diversity till their little johny and little sara have to attend same school as pj’s kids.
Diverity for thee not for thou. Some Hipsters is forst time even living near a edp homeless crackhead or black person.

Eaglescout
Eaglescout

Keep up the good work NYPD! Do more!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

@bronx163
Right again. You're on a roll.

bronx163
bronx163

My generation of cops
Giving Blood and sweat kicking ass taking names fighting crime, in east ny and south bx made it possable for these snowflakes to move into flatbush/eastern pkwy/crown heights, south bronx, washington heights and west harlem.

bronx163
bronx163

And no pay raise for record drop in crime.
Lowest payed metro area cops in the nation.

Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

Hmm, didn't know that. After the LAPD cleaned up their act and bounced a good number of bad cops out of the force in the late 90s/early 00s, they actually started gaining respect in the area. LAPD is pretty much 180 degrees from where they were in the 80s.

I don't know where LAPD's salary is compared to the nation, but a couple of cop buddies that i fight with definitely aren't hurting for cash.

What does the state say is the issue behind the low pay?

justaguy
justaguy

"So this will be a very significant "kill" for white supremacists, and the "officer" will definitely be REWARDED (and no punished whatsoever) #MLK50"
this isnt call of duty. you dont get extra points. its 2018 dude.
I wonder if these twitter people know what they sound like in real life.

Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

@justaguy
He points it out because April is a very significant month for white supremacists. Two of the most significant April events are Hitler's birthday and the assassination of MLK.

Rving
Rving

Ca. Just voted that if a suspect doesn’t have a real gun, police can’t shoot..

NTPD935Ret
NTPD935Ret

It’s time for all street cops to stay home for 3 days. Then see what “We the people” would like. I bet it would be come back cops and please make our streets safe again so I can go outside without being a crime victim.

Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

This guy shot multiple times at the cops. And fought them. All this after beating his wife with a flashlight.

Taken alive.

Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

@Aaron57
What do you mean what is my point? Check the comments on other articles. It is regularly said that anyone who threatens a cop should be killed. Nevermind that he fought with them, he SHOT at the cops, multiple times.

The point is these two stories show that either the Kentucky cops are the most poised, trained cops ever and the NYPD is skittish, or that this is a small indicative sample of the way stories like these play out the same way all too often.

fyrmedman
fyrmedman

lol, more fake news. Legal shooting of a fool. he earned every bullet. End of story!

Bill d
Bill d

This was a well known man in the neighborhood yet for some mysterious reason cops were called on him as being a threat to public safety.
So now cops are racist for protecting the black community?
Too many people think that ignoring a cops orders isnt wrong.
Too many people think unarmed or armed with something other than a gun isnt a threat.
Too many people also believe that cops should be fistfighting suspects and a perp going for a cops gun isnt that serious.
Of course they'll be no problem rioting and burning down their neighborhood but god forbid any of them become police officers to help things.

satmantoo
satmantoo

I see in another comment that you say this guy shot at police in Kentucky. I live in Kentucky and a couple years ago when everyone was burning down Ferguson Mo. we had a cop kill an unarmed white teenage girl because she pulled away from a stop sign when he approached. No riots, no looting no President sending people to investigate. I wonder if it was because she was white and white lives don’t matter.
As far as New York, how many Police have been ambushed and murdered in the city? You wonder why when people point at someone and say “he has a gun”, why they become more aggressive towards that person.
As far as Kentucky cops being more trained! Most town are small, everyone knows everyone, went to the same school etc. This guy who shot at police was probably well known by the “police” and therefore handled differently. We don”t ambush and murder our officers here in Kentucky. Some officers I’ve known have retired and never drawn their weapon.

rds40
rds40

Ca are idiots. It doesn't override Federal law so it's meaningless.

Real fun. What about a knife? Gun is the only weapon? Ca legislators are idiots.

rds40
rds40

You're an idiot. THEY call in shots fired and he was a threat. HE points what looks like a gun barrel at them. So what should their response be? Wait until he shoots at them?

NYC losers. What did they do to help the guy before this? Nothing.

BronxChick1001
BronxChick1001

why is a he a fool? Because he is bipolar? That makes him a fool?

Propolice
Propolice

Obey the police and this crap won’t happen. Simple.... but I guess too difficult for the average thug. No sympathy for those who go up against police.

LetGodSortItOut
LetGodSortItOut

California police can be charged in STATE court.

Heezels
Heezels

Here are the stats on assaults and attacks on law enforcement.

Out of 57,000 assaults on leo’s 4.2% are with firearms. That’s roughly 2,000 assaults with firearms.

Only 963 people were fatally shot by police within the same year.

Dr Shoe
Dr Shoe

Liberal Idiots will not be happy until they have started a civil war, yet they know nothing of battle, or loss!

Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

@satmantoo
And everyone in the neighborhood except for the scared white hipsters knew the guy that got shot had mental issues.

satmantoo
satmantoo

Not all Police officers are White and not all unarmed people shot by Police are White on Black. Salt Lake City two years ago, unarmed White guy killed by Black Police Officer because he didn’t move fast enough for him. No riots, no burning and looting. White lives don’t matter to Black people. There are always two sides to a story!

Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

@Katarina @satmantoo
You're both derailing. I've worked with too many of you people to not see it immediately. I'll make an easier question for you.

How should the cops react to being shot at while responding to a domestic violence call?

Aaron57
Aaron57

And again, the issue we're trying to point out to you is, THIS IS NOT THE SAME SITUATION. YOU ARE ASSUMING THERE IS A GREATER MOTIVATION TO THIS THAN THERE IS EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT.
Apply Hanlon's Razor.

satmantoo
satmantoo

“You people”? What kind of people would that be. Wouldn’t it be a fairy tail world if all police were trained and vetted alike? Wouldn’t it be a fairy tail world if a police officer could go to work without worrying if the next person he pulls over is going to kill him.
And to answer your question. If I were an officer and someone shot at me they better take me out because I would rain down hell upon them!

Heezels
Heezels

Having mental issues doesn’t exactly make you less of a danger to the public.

Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

@Aaron57
Granted, that's why i reworded the question. Care to answer?

Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

@satmantoo
Thanks for answering.

And that's in a cop's job description, to expect danger when they're going into a situation. They should also assess that situation.

NFPD103
NFPD103

The Fourth Amendment "reasonableness" inquiry is whether the officers' actions are "objectively reasonable" in light of the facts and circumstances confronting them, without regard to their underlying intent or motivation. The "reasonableness" of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, and its calculus must embody an allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second decisions about the amount of force necessary in a particular situation. Why is this som difficult for people to get.

Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

@NFPD103
Because in this situation, it was highly unreasonable that this guy was a threat. Foreigners called the cops on someone that scared them, but the neighborhood knows this guy has mental issues.

It's also unreasonable to pull up guns blazing. The guy didn't fire a shot (because he didn't have a gun) and with just a little bit of observation they probably could have seen he wasn't holding a gun. This was broad daylight with plenty of other people around who assessed the situation just fine.

Aaron57
Aaron57

First, several other people have answered in better terms than I would, so I'll just say that I agree with NFPD103.
Second, officers were responding based on what was reported, not based on what was NOT known to them. If you were asked to walk into a room where you were told someone was walking around with a gun, and they took a shooting stance and pointed something at you, it would be reasonable to believe that it was a gun.

Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

@Aaron57

But from the calls, everyone thought he had a gun. And a couple of them thought he was crazy.

A reasonable person (aka everyone else in the street except for scared white foreigners and cops) knew this man was crazy, because he was a neighborhood fixture.

That's what the definition of reasonable should be. What does the majority in this situation think? Being that most people know he had issues, the cops shoukd have taken time and assessed. Instead of rolling up guns blazing.

Hi_estComnDenomn
Hi_estComnDenomn

@Aaron57
And by agreeing with someone else's statement, are you saying you'd let a guy continually take shots at you?

Please tell me youre not responsible for anyone's safety.