Chicago PD Releases Video Which Shows 'Unarmed Black Man' Draw Gun On Cops

@Mrs10 I'm holding off on your question because I don't think @pinkejon gets to get off that easily with a subject change.

@pinkejon, you keep mentioning guns are the main cause of police deaths, and you're relating it to this story. However, the average cop killer doesn't look like anyone in this story. the average cop killer, especially for the last handful of years, is a white man in his 30s. If you'd like to see the data, let me know and I'll post it.

Given that the average cop killer isn't urban (white people language for "black"), how did Obama and BLM or any other group you mentioned persuade white men to kill more cops with guns?

I'll also remind everyone reading this that cop deaths due to violence overall are lower and have been dropping for decades. @pinkejon has said that cop gun death is on the rise, something I haven't verified for myself yet.

@Hi_estComnDenomn (who said that my argument about presidential responsibility as re police deaths was surprisingly emotional and lacked logic/reason)

I will concede that I was long on emotion and short on the strictly logic-based analysis I use as a default. The reason? Every night I watch as my husband straps on gun, Taser, handcuffs, baton, bullet-resistant (no vest is bullet "proof"), and badge to leave out our safe home and patrol the unsafe streets. So it's definitely emotional to speak of line-of-duty murders. And I use the word murder purposefully. Line-of-duty deaths are tragic but those are unfortunately reality (car wrecks, accidental, heat/cold related, etc) Iive with.

@Hi_estComnDenomn I'm replying for myself and @pinkejon (feel free to also add your thoughts Pinkejon!) The discussion was that PJ gave stats about police line of duty deaths and your reply was about gun control. There are so many comments here so context was needed. My response:

Since the guns used to kill these officers were already illegally obtained, how could stricter gun laws (which would only affect law-ABIDING citizens) make a difference?

There are some individuals who simply want to protect themselves as they live in some of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the US. If they are good people of good character, I sympathize with their situation. However, if carrying illegally, they should not resist arrest or try to draw on police...that is just asking for a shootout. The real problem is the community that spreads false rumors and demonizes the police. That affects an entire community, and not just individuals.

@pinkejon it sounds like your solution would be stricter gun control then. correct me if i'm wrong.

and since we're on the subject of presidents promoting racism, i'll use your logic. after endorsing a number of white nationalists running for office, you should also assert that Trump is an open-door racist, correct?

pinkejon said: while numbers have maintained in the 110-120s roughly, murders by firearm have taken over as the main cause of police deaths for the last 3 years running. Please explain that. Its very simple, the media narrative has pushed that cops are racist and if you are a minority confronted by the cops you will be shot. This is a patent falsehood. It was perpetuated by President Obama and his cabinet. He openly showed Law Enforcement disdain by inviting BLM leadership to the White House. This is the equivalent of inviting a racist group like the Klan, The New Panthers, or White Nationalists into the White House and gives them the appearance of White House backing or support. When you have an administration that consistently makes statements about racial bias in Law Enforcement, you start an inflammatory response. Especially when there are no credible facts showing racial bias in Law Enforcement. Just a few mentioned in a LA Times article. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-race-reax-20170816-story.html

@pinkejon - Not to mention Obama's response to what happened in Ferguson when he sent three white house reps to Browns funeral....UNBELIEVABLE! And hardly anyone said a word when it happened. If that particular gesture didn't say it all about Obama's true feelings nothing did.

Hi_estComnDenomn said: @Mrs10 Bullshit and you know it. Police death has declined for decades. By your logic, President Carter is responsible for reduced police death today since the decline started after his term. Surprising coming from you that you'd make such an emotional statement based on absolutely no fact or logic.

while numbers have maintained in the 110-120s roughly, murders by firearm have taken over as the main cause of police deaths for the last 3 years running. Please explain that. Its very simple, the media narrative has pushed that cops are racist and if you are a minority confronted by the cops you will be shot. This is a patent falsehood. It was perpetuated by President Obama and his cabinet. He openly showed Law Enforcement disdain by inviting BLM leadership to the White House. This is the equivalent of inviting a racist group like the Klan, The New Panthers, or White Nationalists into the White House and gives them the appearance of White House backing or support. When you have an administration that consistently makes statements about racial bias in Law Enforcement, you start an inflammatory response. Especially when there are no credible facts showing racial bias in Law Enforcement. Just a few mentioned in a LA Times article.

President Obama often spoke about race relations in the U.S. Here are some of his words

President Obama's response to racial incidents

www.latimes.com

"Packing heat" while being stupid.

Pulpfriction01 said: Police deaths have steadily declined since the 1970's. I would have expected the numbers to rise a bit the past few years, but they have remained stable. Which means 2 things. Not only is the media over covering people of color being killed by police, but they are also pushing coverage of officers killed in the line of duty, especially if it can be related to civil unrest. If you talk to the public, they believe bpolice are killing minorities at an ever increasing rate. And if you talk to police, they believe officers are being killed at a higher rate. The only real effect they are having on statistics right now is public perception.

While Line of Duty deaths have stabilized some, since 2016, LODD's by firearm have increased. Prior to 2016 the major cause of LODD was automobile deaths. For the 3rd year straight the leading cause of death among LEO's is murder by a firearm. This says a lot about the societal attitude that was pushed by the Previous Administration as well as the media and groups like BLM. TI wont consider LODD deaths "decreasing" until we get BELOW 100 and we have fewer firearm murders of LEO's that any other category. he media has pushed the false narrative of institutional racism as has BLM. When they push a story and they turn out wrong, they rarely follow up with an apology. Not that it matters because the harm has already been done. They should be held accountable for false stories or putting lies out there as facts.

Hi_estComnDenomn said: @Mrs10 Bullshit and you know it. Police death has declined for decades. By your logic, President Carter is responsible for reduced police death today since the decline started after his term. Surprising coming from you that you'd make such an emotional statement based on absolutely no fact or logic.

Police deaths declined due to the use of body armor, better tactics and officer survival training and trauma medicine. Despite population increases since the 1960's, the numbers of people shot by law enforcement has remained relatively constant or declined. What has increased is the felonious deaths versus accidental deaths. While the numbers are small, the felonious assaults are increasing. This guy knew he had a gun. He only had to comply. It is stupidity to reach for a gun when you know what the police reaction is going to be.