BREAKING: Pima Co. Deputy Dragged, Then Shot, Gets Up And Takes Out Gunman

@LEO0301 I wish adults could back up their thoughts with reasoning then. If I'm the child in this situation, then maybe you should grow down.

Hi_estComnDenomn said: @LEO0301 So all your thoughts and feelings about minorities come from the one municipality you policed? That can't get more narrowminded. And on the other hand, if all a person has seen all their life is cops hassling them and their neighborhood, you find it wrong that they have a wrong perception of all cops? Plesse explain how it's fine for you to judge a group based on experience but not fine for a group to judge cops by their experiences?

Shhh, the adults are talking.

@LEO0301 So all your thoughts and feelings about minorities come from the one municipality you policed? That can't get more narrowminded.

And on the other hand, if all a person has seen all their life is cops hassling them and their neighborhood, you find it wrong that they have a wrong perception of all cops?

Plesse explain how it's fine for you to judge a group based on experience but not fine for a group to judge cops by their experiences?

Burgers Allday said: @LEO0301: Of course you are not going to believe me. You don't respond rationally to intellectual arguments. Just not how you roll. My comments are not primarily for your benefit. I do think that your comments are useful because they demonstrate how typical policemen think (and sometimes don't think). As far as the race thing, I have read several police boards over the years. The only thing surprising about this particular one is the level of racism. My best explanation is that this is the first new police board I have discovered since Trump was elected to be president. Regardless of the explanation, this board really does have a shocking degree of racism.

@Burgers Allday - Oh, so now you're an intellectual?!?! Of course you are, Burger, of course you are... Just so you know, and I blame myself for not making it perfectly clear to you and other trolls, much of what I say to you and HCD is tongue in cheek. Your comments are so ridiculous that I have no other choice but to respond in kind.

I don't know if your racism remarks are aimed at me but if they are, I'm not. I worked a high crime minority neighborhood for most of my 25 year career. During that time I saw and was exposed to things that would give most people nightmares. It was not uncommon seeing little children playing in front of their homes at 2 in the morning watching the local drug dealers standing on street corners flagging cars over. I saw these same kids grow up to be adults, who not so surprisingly, were also selling dope on the street corners. I actively pursued the criminals because I owed it to the hard working people who lived in those areas. Why should they have to worry about a stray bullet taking out one of their family members? As a result of my desire to make it a safer neighborhood I was threatened with my life, phone calls in the middle of the night with threats to kill me, and of course the racist comments from these same thugs of "I'm going to F your wife, you pussy ass cracker". So, when I post comment on this site about behavior, trust me, it comes from experience.

@LEO0301: Of course you are not going to believe me. You don't respond rationally to intellectual arguments. Just not how you roll. My comments are not primarily for your benefit. I do think that your comments are useful because they demonstrate how typical policemen think (and sometimes don't think). As far as the race thing, I have read several police boards over the years. The only thing surprising about this particular one is the level of racism. My best explanation is that this is the first new police board I have discovered since Trump was elected to be president. Regardless of the explanation, this board really does have a shocking degree of racism.

Hmm, I wonder why you had to bring race into the discussion? Anyway, that's a topic for another day. I'll reiterate that policing is a very dangerous occupation. Things happen quickly and there isn't a lot of time to problem solve. You have to react immediately and hope that you live to see another day. Now that everything is video taped, the public (you), get the opportunity to second guess those decisions. I'm sure if I followed you and recorded every moment of your life I could easily find things that you do wrong. Also, what you consider stupid is not necessarily so. I've read your comments and you frequently get it wrong. Even your response to the one above makes me question whether you're responding out of a real concern for the lives of police officers or simply trolling this website. It seems, based on what you just said, that many of the articles and comments on Blue Lives Matter bother you. So why do you continue to read and post responses if you think this is a lovefest for police officers? Be honest, you couldn't care less about police officers. You're here for one reason only and that's to piss off the police officers and pro law enforcement people who come to this website. Please don't try to paint a different picture because we know that it's not true.

well, my name isn't Booger, but I think your question is a good one, so I will respond. I think that Blue Lives Matter, so some of my posts are merely to offer thoughts and prayers to an officer killed or hurt in the line of duty. However, in many cases police officers are not smart about safety of themselves, or of innocent civilians. In fact, I think that a lot of the posts on this board are calculated to encourage officers to not think realistically about their safety and the safety of innocent civilians. Sometimes, I think this site should be called Let's Hero Worship Cops or White Policemen Can Do No Wrong. So, in response, some of my posts are designed to criticize police conduct that is stupid, especially when it makes situations more dangerous than they need to be. I think police officers (especially white male ones) are used to having their egos stroked, so they don't always take criticism very well, but, ultimately, I think it is helpful for them to see it -- especially the younger readers who are generally a bit more impressionable. Blue Lives certainly do Matter, but it is important to apply that maxim in a thoughtful way and not use it as an excuse to be "as stoopid as I wanna be."

Burgers Allday said: I read the thing. His buddy stuck his hand in a car door frame while trying to make a citizen's arrest and got his ring and finger squished when the driver drove away. Deeply stupid on many levels. KHarmon believes his buddy's outlandish account. I don't and you shouldn't either.

If I can't believe him, how am I suppose to believe you? As someone who has been in some very scary and dangerous situations I can tell you that people will do some crazy shit in attempts to hurt or get away from a police officer. So, what I'm telling you, is that I believe KHarmon's story more than I do your opinion as to what happened.

I'm curious Booger, what is your goal posting comments on this site? What do you hope to accomplish?

I read the thing. His buddy stuck his hand in a car door frame while trying to make a citizen's arrest and got his ring and finger squished when the driver drove away. Deeply stupid on many levels. KHarmon believes his buddy's outlandish account. I don't and you shouldn't either.

@Burgers Allday - nope, you still didn't read it with any degree of comprehension. This is what it says " I have a good friend that was trying to stop shop lifting suspects from leaving a parking lot one day and the driver actually grabbed his arm and pulled him into the door" See, it says he was grabbed and pulled into the door. Now, policing is a dangerous job and not for those who are a little squeamish, like yourself. Cops get hurt arresting the bad guys. You can mitigate some of those injuries through training but there is no way to eliminate them completely. The thing you always fail to take into consideration is the fact most of these events take place very quickly and the officer needs to make a decision on what to do within a microsecond. They don't have the luxury of watching a video and playing the Monday morning QB. Only attorneys and minority reverends can do that from the safety of their officer or home.