Are Blue Line Flags an Abomination?

Many people want to buy blue line flags, but people are questioning the meaning of the blue line flags and what they represent.

Many people want to buy blue line flags, but people are questioning the meaning of the blue line flags and what they represent. This may seem odd if you don't know the back-story, but allow me to explain.

We've been having people tell us, the Blue Lives Matter team, for a while now that we should be selling American Thin Blue Line flags. That way more people can openly show their support for law enforcement.

We're a group of police officers, not flag makers, so we never really did much with these suggestions besides thank people for their support. Then our official Blue Lives Matter shirt partner, Warrior 12, told us that they had ultra-high-quality American blue line flags for sale.

Thin Blue Line FlagFrom Warrior 12

When they put this up, it sure got a lot of attention, but also from people who weren't too happy with it. One user pretty much summed up most of the comments: "I will always support law enforcement but this is a desecration of the American Flag." This resulted in quite the internal discussion among those of us at Blue Lives Matter. People seemed split between the two groups.

On one hand, the American Thin Blue Line flag proponents said that it's not an desecration of the American flag, because it's a completely different flag. It's a flag specifically to represent support for American law enforcement. Most people seem to agree, as these flags are becoming more popular than ever and people love flying them side-by-side with American flags.

The other group says that it's clearly based off of the American flag, because it's supposed to represent American law enforcement. The American flag should not be altered in appearance; To do so is a violation of US Flag code which states: The flag of the United States shall be thirteen horizontal stripes, alternate red and white; and the union of the flag shall be fifty stars, white in a blue field. To them, the American thin blue line flag is an abomination.

We thought that the critics might have a point, and we quickly took down the Facebook post promoting the deal. Unfortunately, by taking the post down so quickly, we didn't actually get to see how most of our supporters actually felt about the issue.

We'd like to hear what you think about this issue. Should Blue Lives Matter forgo any support for the American Thin Blue Line flags? We want to hear from you. Please let us know what you think in the comments.

Comments (31)
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Americanmade
Americanmade

I do support our law enforcement agencies along with all agencies that are elements of our infrastructure. I do not think that raising support for blue lives is negative in itself, but coming from a family with a military history I believe that the american flag in itself is flawless due to the fact that it already represents ALL American lives. I believe that using other representations of the flag leads to further division, which we really really need to rally against currently.

hoohoo
hoohoo

I too support our law enforcement, however, I do not support the use of our country's flag in any form to further some support groups agenda. There was another flag that was used for "the thin blue line" or whatever it was called before, which is simply a blue line horizontally on a black field.

akjrawlins
akjrawlins

I also support our law enforcement and emergency responders. I am a veteran myself. I believe the American Flag represents everyone and everything in this great country. To alter it, is disrespectful, violates the USA flag etiquette and it segregates our society. Blue lines are for Police members. Red lines are for FireFighters. Soon, there will be a green line and an orange and yellow and so forth. I think Blue LIves Matter is a wonderful organization. It is pride and support for a calling that not just anyone can answer. I, however, believe that Blue Lives Matter should find a different representation that is not an altered form of a symbol that represents all citizens, professions, creeds, religions, etc. of this amazing country. I like hoohoo's suggestion of a blue line on a black field. Simple yet bold. Please stop using the American Flag base design. No matter what it is colored, to its core, it is an american symbol that was altered and that is against the flag code, 4 U.S. Code ยง 8 (g), a Federal Law.

Marily
Marily

Desecrating the USA flag, or altering it would require an actual red white and blue flag to be in use. Representations of it or duplications of it are not a violation listed in any of the codes. All the codes listed are referring to the red, white and blue that represent the USA. If you had chosen to make either a red or white line blue to support law enforcement in the US, then I could see the violation of altering our nat'l flag. Since there are law enforcement agencies in every state of this union I see no problem with using the theme of our nat'l flag, but colors that represent the law enforcement of our country. My questing would be, what does each color represent? Blue is the color of union in old glory, the white stars represent each state in the union. The thirteen stripes represent the thirteen original states, etc. What do you want to signify your color choices as representative of? I think you should have a flag that represents all law enforcement in this country, but maybe a little more thought put into why you chose this arrangement/color design and why when you present it for sale to your supporters. Perhaps this would help others understand that your flag is not dishonoring in any way the one that represents us as a nation. Many flags are in use in this country, and many are flown in proper sequence on the same pole or next to our American flag. There are no violations for other organizations flying their flag with the American flag. It's about proper placement. I have no problem with this one; there have been any number of new flags being flown in this country. This one has offended me very little in comparison to some of the others being allowed.

njdevilfire
njdevilfire
Marily
Marily said: Desecrating the USA flag, or altering it would require an actual red white and blue flag to be in use. Representations of it or duplications of it are not a violation listed in any of the codes. All the codes listed are referring to the red, white and blue that represent the USA. If you had chosen to make either a red or white line blue to support law enforcement in the US, then I could see the violation of altering our nat'l flag. Since there are law enforcement agencies in every state of this union I see no problem with using the theme of our nat'l flag, but colors that represent the law enforcement of our country. My questing would be, what does each color represent? Blue is the color of union in old glory, the white stars represent each state in the union. The thirteen stripes represent the thirteen original states, etc. What do you want to signify your color choices as representative of? I think you should have a flag that represents all law enforcement in this country, but maybe a little more thought put into why you chose this arrangement/color design and why when you present it for sale to your supporters. Perhaps this would help others understand that your flag is not dishonoring in any way the one that represents us as a nation. Many flags are in use in this country, and many are flown in proper sequence on the same pole or next to our American flag. There are no violations for other organizations flying their flag with the American flag. It's about proper placement. I have no problem with this one; there have been any number of new flags being flown in this country. This one has offended me very little in comparison to some of the others being allowed.

You are not a veteran, therefore, I can see where your ideas are more liberal towards this. As a background, I am an Army combat veteran as well as a professional firefighter. My father was a police officer and a veteran as well. I agree with the three prior comments. While I support the Blue Lives Matter, I cannot condone the alteration of our nation's flag. Having actually put some skin in the game, it represents something that should be considered bigger than a personal belief or opinion. To state that this is OK opens it up to interpretation by those who would desecrate it. Finally, I believe it completely violates the U.S. Code. The flag consisting of black and blue is itself, a violation of the very code you quote. It should always be represented in red, white and blue. While the Code is not punishable, this is still illegal. Being a law enforcement association, I would think you would want to uphold at least that.